#GovChat

The Business Case for GOV 2.0 ~with SPECIAL Guest Alex Howard
Transcript of #GovChat6 from August 3rd, 2011

June 8, 2011 PS_Leader
@thomkearney To get things rolling I have a few questions for @digiphile on tonight’s topic of the business case for gov 2.0 #GovChat

Thu Aug 04 00:08:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98908057349783552 - #17
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@thomkearney And of course, tweetchats are meant to be interactive, so feel free to intersperse your ideas & opinions on our topic #GovChat

Thu Aug 04 00:08:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98908131417010176 - #18
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@thomkearney OK, first question for you Alex #GovChat

Thu Aug 04 00:08:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98908188363071488 - #19
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@thomkearney I like your post on what lies ahead for Gov 2.0 at http://t.co/Q0D4n1b . Can you tell us what you mean when when you say gov 2.0 #GovChat

Thu Aug 04 00:09:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98908279698231296 - #20
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@govfresh Twune in now: @digiphile featured guest on #GovChat hashtag chat. #gov20 #opengov

Thu Aug 04 00:09:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98908474284589056 - #21
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@digiphile @govfresh I'm twuned in. Are you? Are just tweeting? #GovChat #gov20 #opengov

Thu Aug 04 00:10:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98908615301275649 - #22
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@digiphile @govfresh I'm twuned in. Are you? Or just tweeting? :) #GovChat #gov20 #opengov

Thu Aug 04 00:10:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98908742124449792 - #23
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@digiphile @thomkearney Thank you for the invitation to join #GovChat tonight. This post is by @TimOReilly http://t.co/Q0D4n1b tho, not me. #gov20

Thu Aug 04 00:11:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98908911956017153 - #24
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@digiphile @thomkearney I like @wdeggers: using tech to improve govt, society and reboot representational democracy http://j.mp/pnVoAl #gov20 #GovChat

Thu Aug 04 00:12:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98909092252352512 - #25
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@digiphile @thomkearney @TimOReilly & @CarlMalamud have helped me understand more about the history of #Gov20 http://huff.to/9zxYDb #opengov #GovChat

Thu Aug 04 00:12:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98909251015147520 - #26
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@bxmx I take it a bit further. I think it's about a culture change @digiphile @thomkearney #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:13:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98909260624306176 - #27
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@piawaugh RT @digiphile: @thomkearney Thank you for the invitation to join #GovChat tonight. This post is by @TimOReilly http://t.co/Q0D4n1b tho, ...

Thu Aug 04 00:13:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98909398063251456 - #28
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@bxmx RT @govfresh: Twune in now: @digiphile featured guest on #GovChat hashtag chat. #gov20 #opengov #yam

Thu Aug 04 00:13:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98909399128612864 - #29
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@digiphile @thomkearney #Gov20 can be public-private partnerships enabled by open platforms that improve societal outcomes http://j.mp/aXLD6g #GovChat

Thu Aug 04 00:13:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98909467906813952 - #30
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@thomkearney @allisonhornery Nice to see you again Allison, welcome to #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:14:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98909695816900608 - #31
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@digiphile @thomkearney In general, tho, #gov20 includes platform thinking, social media, crowdsourcing, #opengov #opendata & culture change. #GovChat

Thu Aug 04 00:14:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98909714150211584 - #32
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@digiphile @bxmx good point. I see the meme of "DIY" or "DIO (do-it-ourselves) govt" @TimOReilly talks about in #gov20 too. it's aka #wegov. #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:16:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98910184457502720 - #33
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@allisonhornery @thomkearney Thanks, looking forward to the discussion! Topic is of particular and timely interest #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:16:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98910222424354817 - #34
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@bxmx I actually think of it as more of a "DIT" (do it together) model. Which is totally not as Polly-Anna as it sounds @digiphile #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:17:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98910492529139712 - #35
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@CherylMcKinnon Lurking #govchat ... some great participants tonight talking #gov20 #opengov #opendata

Thu Aug 04 00:18:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98910684280127490 - #36
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@allisonhornery @bxmx Agree, although that thinking tends to create a bit of a clash of civilisations in practice #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:18:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98910719390650369 - #37
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@healthpolicygrp RT @govfresh: Twune in now: @digiphile featured guest on #GovChat hashtag chat. #gov20 #opengov

Thu Aug 04 00:18:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98910751930060800 - #38
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@bxmx Good things come out that clash. @allisonhornery #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:19:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98910805856239617 - #39
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@digiphile .@bxmx whether you call it DIO or DIT government, I think the sentiment is much the same. http://c4a.me/bl8Fqp #gov20 #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:19:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98910912903262208 - #40
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@thomkearney Can you provide a couple of good examples that you have seen recently? #Govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:19:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98910939658731520 - #41
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@digiphile @CherylMcKinnon If you tweet with the hashtag, you're not lurking any more :) #govchat #gov20 #opengov #opendata

Thu Aug 04 00:19:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98910997150056449 - #42
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@digiphile @thomkearney Sure. Last month, British Columbia adopted government as platform http://oreil.ly/r2KkKu #gov20 #opengov #Govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:20:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98911118449324032 - #43
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@bxmx Agreed - let's not split hairs over terminology. It's the spirit that's new... and awesome. @digiphile #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:20:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98911125239898112 - #44
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@digiphile @thomkearney The launch of @OpenDataKenya suggests that #Gov20 is growing globally http://oreil.ly/r2KkKu #gov20 #Govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:20:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98911187076513792 - #45
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@allisonhornery @bxmx Sure, as long as it then (eventually) leads to the next thing #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:20:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98911189068820480 - #46
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@digiphile @thomkearney The growth of data journalism is an important trend to watch in the media http://oreil.ly/l7lqNM #gov20 #Govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:21:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98911298699538432 - #47
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@digiphile @thomkearney The evolution of Safecast is a glimpse into networked accountability http://oreil.ly/ltW0uN #gov20 #ogov #Govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:21:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98911424625115136 - #48
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@bxmx @allisonhornery sometimes I wonder if simply meeting someone unlike me over a shared problem isn't already the next thing. #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:21:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98911447546994688 - #49
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@digiphile @thomkearney SEC & FINRA data about financial advisors is now indexed by search engines http://oreil.ly/kZBZF3 #gov20 #Govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:21:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98911493013245952 - #50
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@allisonhornery @bxmx Well said :-) #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:22:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98911540027203584 - #51
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@digiphile @thomkearney Despite regulatory challenges, the @FCC rebooted with an #opengov platform http://oreil.ly/hyVZHk #gov20 #Govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:23:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98911951194816512 - #52
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@thomkearney @digiphile thanks, those are great examples. What do you think are think are the main elements of a biz case for gov.20? #GovChat

Thu Aug 04 00:26:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98912562363645952 - #53
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@digiphile @thomkearney Productivity & efficiency are lost because gov't can’t find info. Collecting & cleaning up #opendata helps internally. #GovChat

Thu Aug 04 00:27:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98912898813923328 - #54
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@bxmx Also very true. @digiphile #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:27:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98913006511067139 - #55
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@digiphile @thomkearney @daeaves made a case for #opendata saved Canada $3.2 Billion http://j.mp/pmixCC #GovChat #gov20 #opengov

Thu Aug 04 00:28:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98913176569126912 - #56
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@thomkearney @digiphile that's an impressive number. Where else should folks look for evidence that #gov20 provides value to taxpayers? #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:30:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98913618556493825 - #57
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@digiphile @thomkearney businesses are looking to big data http://oreil.ly/o3aK2U as a strategic asset. Govt orgs can find similar biz value. #GovChat

Thu Aug 04 00:30:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98913635576987649 - #58
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@digiphile @thomkearney Old mgmt axiom is that you can't manage what you can't measure. How do you value >> info sharing in a huge enterprise? #GovChat

Thu Aug 04 00:31:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98913936769949696 - #59
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@kristyfifelski @digiphile Only b/c they happened to find charities operating fraudulently... Not exactly a ROI that you could expect to duplicate #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:32:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98914271555096576 - #60
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@digiphile @thomkearney Viewing the public as a *resource*, as @CraigAtFEMA & @LAFD have said, helps taxpayers. http://bit.ly/maxSHF #gov20 #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:33:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98914360688254976 - #61
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@bxmx The old idiom "knowledge is power" has grown into "giving away knowledge is power" @digiphile @thomkearney #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:33:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98914412345307136 - #62
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@thomkearney @digiphile Measuring the value of knowledge sharing is not like counting beans. #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:34:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98914629182423040 - #63
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@digiphile @thomkearney A geolocation app ( firedepartment.mobi ) helps citizens help one another http://oreil.ly/eVx8Ti #gov20 #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:34:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98914758366986241 - #64
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@thomkearney @bxmx @digiphile Right, the other one i like is "knowledge is power" has turned into "shared knowledge is powerful" #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:36:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98915163025063936 - #65
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@digiphile @kristyfifelski True. Bet there is more $$ to be saved detecting Medicare fraud, tho. http://oreil.ly/bnsSZc #gov20 #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:36:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98915197124747265 - #66
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@digiphile @kristyfifelski True. Bet there is more $$ to be saved detecting Medicare fraud, tho. http://oreil.ly/bnsSZc #gov20 #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:36:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98915197124747265 - #67
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@thomkearney @digiphile Any comments on the Canadian Government's Open Data Pilot ? http://ow.ly/5S #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:37:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98915450045480960 - #68
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@digiphile @thomkearney @bxmx see @mixtmedia's comment on power of infosharing & #gov20 here: http://oreil.ly/oDr2KD #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:38:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98915557734232065 - #69
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@digiphile @thomkearney One last link on business value: see @ahoppin's #opengov work at @NYSenate http://bit.ly/asOoXY #govchat #gov20

Thu Aug 04 00:39:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98915942150582272 - #70
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@digiphile @thomkearney I don't know enough about the #opendata pilot to comment thoughtfully. Not sure if I see developer-friendly APIs/SDKs. #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:42:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98916731237564417 - #71
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@bxmx It's the kind of pilot that you'd not want flying your plan(e)? Just my opinion..... @thomkearney @digiphile #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:43:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98917033609134080 - #72
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@thomkearney @digiphile Gov collects a lot of data, but how can we understand the data well enough to make things better? #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:44:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98917158607781888 - #73
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@thomkearney @bxmx @thomkearney @digiphile lol #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:44:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98917253210316800 - #74
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@digiphile @thomkearney I see some of .gov tools & services http://j.mp/onJrIB but not much evidence of wider #gov20 community around the site #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:44:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98917271057076224 - #75
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@digiphile @thomkearney #OpenData -> information -> Knowledge. Visualizations can help: http://bit.ly/g2Ksf0 #govchat #opengov #gov20

Thu Aug 04 00:47:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98917839192338433 - #76
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@thomkearney @digiphile @bxmx Some GC depts are asking themselves how they could do more with open data but commitment remains to be seen 1/2 #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:47:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98917963683463168 - #77
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@thomkearney @digiphile @bxmx Some GC depts are asking themselves how they could do more with open data but commitment remains to be seen 1/2 #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:47:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98917963683463168 - #78
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@digiphile @thomkearney City 311 data can help inform both citizens & government when mapped http://bit.ly/euvQ4k #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:49:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98918335651135488 - #79
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@kristyfifelski @digiphile I'm meeting w/ local Reno techies tomorrow to talk about open govt data. I'm looking for #localgov models #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:49:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98918447332868096 - #80
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@thomkearney @bxmx @digiphile when depts view strategic review as a cutback instead of an opportunity to do things better it hurts. 2/2 #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:49:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98918516152995840 - #81
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@digiphile @thomkearney @s_goldsmith spoke to data & citizensourcing smarter govt in NYC: http://t.co/Qy4540r #OpenGov #gov20 #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:50:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98918584755032064 - #82
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@thomkearney OK, now we'll open up the #Govchat for your questions! Alex will answer as many as he can in the time remaining. #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:50:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98918734214860802 - #83
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@bxmx Cutting off one's nose to spite one's own face. Open data saves money. BC's @apps4ca is a prime example. @thomkearney @digiphile #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:51:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98918884056375296 - #84
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@digiphile @kristyfifelski See if any of @judell's work on ElmCity & #localgov resonates? http://oreil.ly/bC9X1p #govchat #gov20

Thu Aug 04 00:51:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98918888170991617 - #85
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@allisonhornery @kristyfifelski Here's a nice #localgov example > http://bit.ly/oI5Vpi - ping @b3rn for more info #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:51:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98919038138331136 - #86
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@bxmx RT @allisonhornery: @kristyfifelski Here's a nice #localgov example > http://bit.ly/oI5Vpi - ping @b3rn for more info #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:52:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98919194053193728 - #87
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@sanchezjb @kristyfifelski cc @digiphile Contact @govfresh as well. He's been very involved with #localgov. #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:52:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98919224013107201 - #88
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@mixtmedia thx Alex RT @digiphile: @thomkearney @bxmx see @mixtmedia's comment on power of infosharing & #gov20 here: http://oreil.ly/oDr2KD #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:52:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98919252895076352 - #89
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@digiphile @thomkearney GC .gov isn't alone. Ask CIOs about @VivekKundra's TechStat scrutiny. http://bit.ly/pLzQJm #govchat #gov20

Thu Aug 04 00:52:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98919284125868032 - #90
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@digiphile @kristyfifelski I think @DustinHaisler's @Govfresh guide to a #gov20 makeover is quite relevant to #localgov http://bit.ly/cNvrPA #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:54:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98919578679246848 - #91
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@digiphile @mixtmedia You bet. Great to see you today and talk about #opengov a bit. #gov20 #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:54:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98919675253104641 - #92
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@digiphile @bxmx Did anyone ever quantify the $ saved or ROI of @apps4ca? #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:54:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98919764851818496 - #93
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@digiphile @thomkearney Whew. This hour has gone by quickly. #Govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:56:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98920158239793152 - #94
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@bxmx More ROI Rsearch needed, but the cost to gov't to produce those apps would be far more than the contest itself @digiphile #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:56:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98920211843006464 - #95
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@bxmx Great links! I stayed at my desk for an extra hour just to follow up on them!! @digiphile @thomkearney #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:57:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98920400599252992 - #96
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@digiphile @bxmx Are the apps being used? Downloads/users counted? Were sustainability issued addressed? http://oreil.ly/mXc6pG #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:57:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98920485634588673 - #97
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@thomkearney @digiphile Time flies when you are having fun! thank you for your insights Alex. #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:57:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98920520346648578 - #98
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@thomkearney Thank you all 4 joining us! Your participation & feedback has been fantastic. #GovChat #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:58:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98920695681126402 - #99
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@digiphile @bxmx I'm a linky guy. Around 68% of my 43,907 tweets have links :) #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:58:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98920717709619200 - #100
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@thomkearney Be sure to follow Alex’s Gov 2.0 blog at http://radar.oreilly.com/alexh/ and http://gov20.govfresh.com #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:58:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98920817999626240 - #101
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@bxmx Lots of thanks to @thomkearney & @digiphile for an awesome #govchat. I learned tonnes!!!!

Thu Aug 04 00:59:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98920846952890368 - #102
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@thomkearney Join us Wed, Sept 7, at 8:00 pm EST for next #GovChat #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:59:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98920882524790784 - #103
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@kristyfifelski @digiphile @allisonhornery @sanchezjb Thanks for all the leads. Maybe I'll document Reno's opendata process via video...hmmm #govchat

Thu Aug 04 00:59:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98920886165438464 - #104
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@digiphile @kristyfifelski Please do. We could all use more #localgov #opendata case studies to share. #govchat

Thu Aug 04 01:00:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98921175647924224 - #105
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@thomkearney The full transcript of tonight’s #GovChat will be posted shortly on the @PS_leader blog http://www.psleader.org #govchat

Thu Aug 04 01:00:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98921217217658880 - #106
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@bxmx MT @thomkearney: The full transcript of tonight’s #GovChat will be posted on the @PS_leader blog http://bit.ly/hOJhi9 #govchat #yam

Thu Aug 04 01:01:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98921437468966912 - #107
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@thomkearney Also check out the PS engage conference coming up in November www.psengage.org #govchat

Thu Aug 04 01:02:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98921611863920640 - #108
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@thomkearney Thanks to all you #GovChat tweeps for joining us. Have a GREAT night & hope to see you all again in September! #govchat

Thu Aug 04 01:02:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98921695468978177 - #109
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@digiphile @thomkearney Sounds good! Thanks again for the invitation. #govchat

Thu Aug 04 01:03:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98921987027644417 - #110
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@thomkearney @digiphile take care and good night. #govchat

Thu Aug 04 01:04:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98922188232597504 - #111
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@kristyfifelski @localgovchat Dang, hung around work for #govchat but gotta drive home. Will log on towards the end of #localgovchat

Thu Aug 04 01:07:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98923048731803648 - #112
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@healthpolicygrp "#Gov20 as DIT: Do It Together Model. (Which is totally not as Polly-Anna as it sounds)" mt @bxmx #govchat #CivicEngagement

Thu Aug 04 02:55:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98950202119032832 - #113
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@healthpolicygrp " #Gov20 as DIT: Do It Together Model. (Which is totally not as Polly-Anna as it sounds)" mt @bxmx #govchat #CivicEngagement

Thu Aug 04 02:56:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98950384156024832 - #114
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@JostleMe RT @thomkearney: @digiphile Measuring the value of knowledge sharing is not like counting beans. #govchat

Thu Aug 04 03:05:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 98952553366167552 - #115
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@almel RT @bxmx: The old idiom "knowledge is power" has grown into "giving away knowledge is power" @digiphile @thomkearney #govchat

Thu Aug 04 06:58:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 99011404555747329 - #116
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@bxmx @WithIntentEvent Thanks for the RT! That #govchat was pretty epic.

Thu Aug 04 16:38:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 99157161451597824 - #117
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@bxmx @healthpolicygrp Thanks for the RT - I hope you enjoyed the #govchat

Thu Aug 04 16:38:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 99157243148251136 - #118
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@bxmx @digiphile Your links from #govchat last night were awesome. Thank you for sharing - I'm still sorting them!!!

Thu Aug 04 17:13:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 99166044219912192 - #119
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@digiphile @bxmx glad you dig! #govchat

Thu Aug 04 17:42:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 99173404644614144 - #120
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